Here is the Interview with Jennifer Todd, LCSW, ACH:
Miranda: Coming from ZynnyMe, and I am here with the awesome Jennifer Todd. She’s all the way out here from the East Coast, and yes, I’m still in Seattle, as you can tell from the backdrop. So I am super excited that I get to see Jennifer like here in my living room. She’s from New Jersey and she’s going to be sharing her story today of how she decided to become a therapist, so I’m excited to have her here. Thank you, Jennifer.
Jennifer: Thank you for having me.
Miranda: So we’re just going to start easy, right?
Miranda: When did you know that you wanted to become a therapist?
Jennifer: Well, I had actually been really very interested in human behavior for my whole life, I say, that I was trained from the cradle to become a therapist, because I think that just as a human being growing up in a family that had its own set of dysfunction, I wanted to understand it more. I was naturally really curious to understand behavior, and then ultimately, while it may not have been as a parent to me at the time when I was making my choices for my education, what I really was wanting to do was heal myself. So to work on understanding myself and to heal myself and to learn how to maybe not be like the people who I grew up with and learn how to love them in a better way.
So I mean, that really was it for me. Like I really just wanted to understand what makes people work the way that they do.
Miranda: And so from the point that you said, “Okay, I’m going to be a therapist,” right?
Jennifer: Well, I studied psychology in philosophy undergrad, was fascinated in neuroscience, and almost went premed, but that philosophy major just really touched some very deep places in me, and a lot of the religious studies tapped into my curiosity – my spiritual curiosity. So that kind of took things in a different direction from maybe what could have been psychiatry into more of a therapist.
So after my bachelor’s degree, I worked in the field for a little bit to get a better understanding of what it is that I might want to do, which advanced degree would be best for me, and then decided to go for the MSW.
Miranda: Awesome. And what school did you attend?
Jennifer: Rutgers in New Jersey.
Miranda: How did you choose your school?
Jennifer: Well, I chose my school because I wanted something that was going to be close because I had moved home from my undergrad, right? So I did an undergrad in Delaware and moved back to New Jersey. I wanted something that’s going to be close and affordable. Everyone was saying, “Well, you know You’re not going to make a lot of money as a social worker, so why go to NYU and spend three times as much?” as what I could spend at Rutgers. And I knew I was going to need to go for advanced training either way.
So I wanted to be able to get a degree, get the license that was going to help me do what it is that I wanted to do and then figure out from there where I was going to want to do some more of the different training.
Jennifer: The clinical training.
Miranda: What was that like for you as you are even going to a place that maybe is less expensive? Like that, as you’re like getting ready to like sign that online and go to school to have everybody telling you, “Okay, go ahead, but you know you’re not going to make any money doing this.”
Jennifer: Yeah. Well, I knew that I wanted to go into private practice ultimately, and that there definitely was a potential there for me to make money. But still, to go to school that costs a third to me just made good financial sense.
Miranda: No. I went to a cheap school.
Miranda: I went to a cheap school. I think it was my tuition – and this is outside of my books, but I think my tuition for full-time is like $1,300 a semester.
Jennifer: Oh, that’s nice.
Miranda: Like a semester, and I only went for like maybe five semesters even with summer and winter kind of thing, like it was the best investment that I could have made.
Jennifer: I knew that I was going to get a degree and then I was going to move on from there. So to me, that seemed to make the most sense.
Miranda: Awesome. And then after – or how long did it take you to get through grad school?
Jennifer: Two years.
Miranda: Two years, just knocked it out.
Jennifer: Banged it out.
Miranda: Yeah, making it happen, and then how long from that point until you were able to be licensed for independent practice?
Jennifer: About two years. So I got the MSW, took the exam, got my license. At that point, I was working in inpatient psychiatry. That was my first job. I just right then, got all my hours for certification, and then within two years, I took the licensing exam for my C.
Miranda: How did you get your job at the inpatient unit?
Jennifer: This is going back many years, like 13 or 14 years ago. God, I mean, I was just right out of grad school and looking for something that was going to give me the most interesting experience. I just wanted to really dive in and learn as much as I could.
So to work in a hospital in New Jersey that was considered the largest hospital and had 14 psych units, I thought this was going to be a great way to learn a lot, and in my master’s program, I had worked in a school, in a partial hospital program, and so I thought that this might be a different kind of experience for me.
Miranda: And was it?
Jennifer: Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
Miranda: We were talking to – I’m pretty sure it was Katie. Was that Katie or Jane – oh, one of the other people that I interviewed, because they had done psych time as well as I had done psych time. We were talking about when you’re out talking with people and you’re talking about something like bipolar and you talk to someone who has never seen like full-on bipolar, about bipolar, you can just like tell that they don’t really have a clear sense about like what bipolar is. And like their version of bipolar and what a bipolar one did look like and their diagnose, they’re like, “It’s really underdiagnosed,” and I’m like, “No, I’m pretty sure.” Like the way that you’re describing this like, “This is just the moody teenager,” like “This is not.”
Miranda: You don’t get to settle them with that diagnosis quite yet, like give it a second.
Jennifer: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, and I think, too, because I had such an interest in the brain specifically early on in my education, like this was a really great way to work with psychiatrists and the pharmacology, I thought, was really interesting, and so – I was on inpatient involuntary crisis units with kids, with adults, on voluntary units and the outpatient program, I mean, in partial hospital program, I got great experience.
Miranda: Wow! And then when did you start your private practice?
Jennifer: 2006. Yeah. At one point, I decided to leave the inpatient unit to go into the outpatient program so that I could get a little bit more of that type of clinical experience because it’s a different kind of client that you’re working with in private practice. So I did that for about two years and then wanted to have my evenings free. I was working a couple of evenings a week in the outpatient clinic, so I went back to inpatient and started my practice.
Miranda: Awesome. What was the best part of starting your private practice in those first couple of months?
Jennifer: Well, I was very lucky because there was a psychiatrist that I worked with. We had an office, who said, “You can use my office two days a week and you don’t have to pay me until you start seeing clients – oh, and by the way. Here’s a bunch of clients.”
Jennifer: So it was made very easy for me.
Jennifer: And then from there, I just said, “Okay, well, I want my own office. I want my own space,” and joined with a couple other social workers at the hospital and got an office and then decided, “Well, no. Now, I want one that’s completely all my own,” and that I can use – I don’t have to coordinate schedules with anyone, and so it just kind of naturally evolved and progressed.
Miranda: Came together. You said that you got lucky, but I don’t think – I mean, that’s not really true, right? Like you had done really good work and you’ve built good relationships with the psychiatrist.
Miranda: Like there was a lot that came out that like someone would say like, “You know what? I trust you.”
Miranda: Like I trust you clinically to the point that I’m going to like throw a bunch of clients, and I’m so excited for you to be out in the world that I’m going to make it like a no-brainer for you by giving you an office.
Jennifer: Yeah. Too blessed? I mean, yeah. I definitely see what you’re saying, like I did build the foundation and opened up the possibility for that team to come into my life. But a lot of friends and social workers who were starting private practices get hung up on this while I don’t have any clients, and there’s all the startup; the only start-up costs, and so when I say I was lucky, like I didn’t have to kind of put all that out on the front-end, so that was helpful, but I mean, it’s totally and completely doable without having been so blessed.
Miranda: Yeah. But I think this is the place, too. So I think sometimes, people will think like, “Oh, I don’t know,” and they have this idea in their head that it’s not possible, and they don’t talk to anybody about it, they don’t have conversations with people. I remember what it was like when I went to my old work – the nonprofit that I worked with, to ask them about doing the office space. I remember I was embarrassed and terrified to ask them if I could pay them money for their office space. Like yeah, I was like, which – and of course, they’re like, “Oh my God, really? You’re doing private practice?” like they were so excited.
Miranda: They’re really want to support the process, and then when I asked like, “Well, can I not pay you until I start seeing clients really?” “Oh, of course – no, don’t pay. Lots of clients?”
Jennifer: And as I was saying. Very nice.
Miranda: Same kind of a thing, but that stuff that happens because you have people that like know you and know your heart and that you have connected with and built well with relationships. I’ve seen other people where they’ve been out, but the way that they treated other people hasn’t been nice, and like they haven’t built relationships where people like know their heart and like they know the other person’s heart, and so they don’t have that in any way, shape, or form, and I’ve seen other people where they’re really amazing, like really good people, but like they’re like –
Jennifer: Held back by themselves.
Miranda: And so like there are people that would help if they just like allowed it.
Jennifer: Yeah. I think that’s probably a lot of people in our profession, unfortunately.
Miranda: Yeah. It’s crazy.
Miranda: Oh my goodness.
Miranda: So what was your first year of private practice like beyond just having a bunch of clients built in for you?
Jennifer: It was a little scary because this was a totally new kind of experience for me, but again, I was able to collaborate with someone which was very, very helpful. So I was able to discuss these cases with someone and get their input, and so that made it much more pleasurable and a little less scary for me, and it was exciting starting to see what could be – that was also a long time ago.
Miranda: Yeah. It was. You said 2006.
Miranda: And now, it’s 2015.
Jennifer: Yes, on LinkedIn, I saw a “Congratulations on nine years in your private practice!” I said, “Oh, wow!”
Miranda: Time flies when you’re having fun.
Jennifer: I guess so, yeah.
Miranda: What do you think was like the biggest maybe like – I don’t want to say mistake, but like the one thing that like you look back on that first year and be like, “If I had known then what I know now, here’s something –”
Jennifer: Oh, the first year.
Miranda: Yeah. Or even the first five, I mean, you’ve been out for nine.
Jennifer: Well, I probably would have linked myself to more supervision, right? So when I was working with a psychiatrist, I had her to kind of balance things off of. I was still working in inpatient psychiatry, but I don’t know how much I utilized some of the supports that I did have, and I think I did a great job in all those years, but just for my own growth and development. And I think sometimes, once people have finished with their supervision for their C, they’re done, and – I mean, now, as a more experienced clinician, I know I’m never done and I’m always welcoming new opportunities to learn and collaborate with other people.
So maybe being a little bit more open and feeling more comfortable with saying, “I want help. I want to learn more,” possibly could have been more helpful for me.
Miranda: I know. It’s interesting, like I was always amazed at pre-licensed therapists that were like complaining about supervision. I’m like, “If you’re complaining about supervision, you’re doing it wrong,” like this is amazing, and when I will do speaking engagements, I would say like, “Hey, pre-licensed people, specifically,” like “what do you call supervision once you’re licensed?” and they just look at me and I’ll say, “Consultation and it’s several hundred dollars an hour.”
Miranda: Like, “You’re getting it for free right now.” Like “Utilize it.”
Jennifer: Yeah. Soak it up.
Miranda: “All of it, it’s so good, and keep getting it once you’re licensed, but it’s going to cost you money when that happens for the most part.”
Miranda: Oh my gosh. All right, awesome. And then what is your focus in private practice today?
Jennifer: Well, right now, I offer a specialty. My niche is basically hypnotherapy. So clinical hypnotherapy. And I like working with people who have deep trauma, right? People who a lot of therapists may not feel entirely comfortable, working with at that deep level. I really enjoy working with people who have physical issues that have an emotional underpinning, right? So more like chronic issues, auto-immune or GI, even people with cancer, and difficult issues like that. I find that using hypnotherapy helps people access the healing that’s within them connect to their bodies, understand emotional patterns that they may have been holding on to for decades. To me, it’s just the most incredible sacred work.
So mind/body stuff, physical issues, trauma, of course, the standard anxiety and depression.
Miranda: We were talking about that earlier, right?
Jennifer: Yeah, yeah.
Miranda: Like going to a meeting and everyone’s like –
Jennifer: Yeah. Going to a networking event and 85% of therapists stand up and say, “I work with adults on anxiety and depression, no geriatric, no kids”, and it’s just kind of the same very vanilla kind of thing.
But the other kind of people that I love working with are people who’ve done some deep personal work to resolve major crises in their lives, right? And now, they want to look even deeper at some of these patterns. Now, they want to figure out how they can elevate themselves, right? So now, it’s going from just healing stuff to becoming all that they can be, and not in the army.
Miranda: Existential work.
Jennifer: Completely, completely. It is so cool. It is so fun, yeah.
Miranda: That’s great. And how do most of your clients that fit that bill, how do they find out about you?
Jennifer: This may sound hokey, but the universe just kind of brings them to my door.
Miranda: Okay, awesome. Give me an example of that if you can.
Jennifer: I continue to do advanced training, right? And so I’ll come back from a weekend where we learned about autonomous complexes and deeper yang/yin transpersonal kind of stuff. And then I’ll have somebody who will call me and present an issue that just fits so perfectly in this framework, and let’s say they’ve been in talk therapy for a long time, they’ve done some kind of alternative therapies, and now, they specifically want to do hypnotherapy. They specifically want to be able to understand these deeper, darker parts of themselves. They know there are gifts hidden in those dark places, and I’m just like, “Really? How cool is that?”
Jennifer: So I just think that there’s an energy, there’s an attraction. The more work I do on myself, the more comfortable I feel sitting with other people’s anger and rage and grief and anxieties and trauma, the more I just kind of open myself up to working with those types of people, and the more I work on elevating myself, I think the more those people are coming and saying, “I want to do this, and I have a feeling that you might be the person that can help me.”
Miranda: Yes. That place of just like deep knowing that this is the right thing at the right time.
Jennifer: Yeah, this is so cool.
Miranda: I love that.
Miranda: That’s really awesome.
Jennifer: It’s very cool.
Miranda: If the universe could do anything with you in your practice in this next year, like if a year from now, like you like looked and went, “Oh my gosh,” like, “this is exactly what I wanted my practice to be like.” What would it look like a year?
Jennifer: Well, I would be a little bit more full, right? So as I transition from full-time in psychiatry and part-time in practice to full-time in practice, I’m still in the process of building my caseload.
So I have an idea as to how many clients I would like to have scheduled, how many clients I would like to have actually coming.
Miranda: Yeah, yeah.
Jennifer: Paying my full fee every week.
Jennifer: And I don’t necessarily know if this would happen in a year, but if this miracle happens – and this could happen in a year, I would have a lot of space to be able to provide groups and workshops because I do travel a lot for training and teaching hypnotherapy. And so I need to be able to adjust my schedule and my income to be able to make up for the fact that sometimes, I’m not there to see individual clients. So to be able to offer workshops and weekend workshops and have a space to do that that would minimize my overhead would be wonderful.
Jennifer: So that’s kind of –
Miranda: A little farther out, but maybe not. You never know.
Jennifer: If I could have a retreat center in a year, it would be fantastic.
Jennifer: Yes. You never know.
Miranda: You never know.
Jennifer: You never know.
Miranda: Things can come together. You can sometimes meet the right people and make the right connections, and things can just flow.
Jennifer: I believe that.
Miranda: Right? The universe can bring that in there.
Jennifer: Provide, yeah.
Miranda: Awesome. What is one of the most important – what’s like the business skill that you’re really working on and struggling through to like shift right now?
Jennifer: I would say, I guess the financial planning, which I guess that’s kind of why that was built into my dream of what the next year would be like if it worked out perfectly. I do find a little bit of that intimidating, so when I was – had my practice part-time and I had a full-time job, I didn’t have to do anything. I just got clients, and sometimes, I had a lot of clients, and it seemed like it was too many, but I just kind of stuck it out, and sometimes, I wouldn’t have as many, and it just was okay, and now, my livelihood depends on my ability to keep my practice full and keep the clients coming, and so there’s this whole other aspect to it that I didn’t think of before, which is why I joined Business School Bootcamp to help me with that, and a lot of it’s very intimidating, but these are just areas for growth and ways to expand, but it’s constantly working on being in the community and letting my light shine, being like a lighthouse; a beacon, so that the people can come, but it’s doing it.
Miranda: Yeah. We were talking earlier that like when we do that kind of stuff, it brings up our own stuff, that the act of building our business is an area for growth and transformation, not just a business.
Miranda: It’s a growth in like all areas of our lives.
Jennifer: It just becomes very symbolic.
Miranda: Yes, that it’s part of our pattern. Like what we do in business is what we do in other areas like there’s a lot of really cool connections on how that all comes together, so awesome. Let’s see. What advice do you have to other therapists out there who are in private practice or considering private practice?
Jennifer: I would say, one of the things that was most helpful for me in this whole process over these couple of years was getting some advanced training, because it just boosted my skills and my confidence. And I had known early on that it was something that I was going to want to do, and it was going to be an investment of my time in a financial investment. And so I did spend quite some time kind of shopping around and taking a course at an institute here or there. I mean, I live right by Manhattan. There were lots of really great institutes, and just trying to figure out where I would want to plant myself for a little while. And then once I did, a lot shifted for me.
So I would say, we have a 60 credit – well, for social workers I’ll say something 60 credit master’s degree. And we learned a lot, we had a lot of great experience, but most people don’t feel comfortable even after the two years it took them to get their clinical license that they’re going to be able to really provide something unique and special, and I think advanced training can really help people find that.
Miranda: They leave comfortable with depression and anxiety with adults.
Jennifer: Pretty much.
Miranda: Well, that place of like developing a real specialization and niche, and it’s not just about – we talked about ideal client, we talked about who you are as a person, but part of that whole process is also like your clinical – I can’t think of the thing. Like what the word but like how much – like what are your bones? Like how much can you do?
Miranda: Because if you can’t deliver with really great service and with really great transformation for people, that’s not going to grow your practice. There’ve been wonderful people out there on the planet who – I don’t know if they’re meant to be therapists or not, but I can tell you, their clients are still sick.
Miranda: And they don’t – but for their friends, and you have to really hold yourself to a high standard, and I think that’s the other thing that I really like about financial planning while on private practice, is that it allows you to plan for things like advanced training.
Miranda: Like your private practice probably funded part of your advanced training because you already had it.
Jennifer: Oh, all of it. Yeah.
Miranda: Everything you made in private practice went to that training, so it was kind of like, “There you go,” but you really lived off of your other income, and so now, being in that space of making sure that your new private practice income allows you to continually get that kind of great supervision and consultations. It’s awesome.
Jennifer: Yeah, and very important.
Miranda: Yeah. Groovy. All right, great. And then –
Jennifer: So I’ll be going back to those modules.
Miranda: And no one else knows what you’re talking about when you say modules, by the way.
Jennifer: Oh, yeah – oh, from Business School Bootcamp.
Jennifer: Oh, yeah, yeah.
Miranda: So do you want to share anything about your experience with Bootcamp?
Jennifer: Sure. So as I was transitioning from full-time inpatient into my private practice, I knew I don’t know how to this, I need help, and so I started looking around, and I found a bunch of different coaches, and I wanted something that was specific to coaching for therapists, and I had a conversation with you on the phone,and I just felt like totally relaxed, totally understood, totally excited, totally inspired, so I think I joined immediately, and that was the very first one.
Jennifer: And then it started right around the time I was going to be teaching a class for six days, and I was like, “I just can’t do both.” So I kind of put it on the back corner and would work with it when I could, and then the second round came along and so I worked with the modules again and was linked to a Facebook page of I don’t even – how many therapists are on there? A lot.
Miranda: You know what? What’s interesting, there’s probably like under 150.
Miranda: Right, yeah. But it doesn’t feel that way because everybody is like really family-oriented and really connected. It’s growing all the time, but it’s this place of people really are active, engaged, it feels like it’s real people. It doesn’t feel like a group of 1,000 people but there are like 10 people posting. It’s like –
Jennifer: No. It’s a very, very cool network. So there were these – are there still eight modules?
Jennifer: So these eight – and I actually tell people about this all the time and I’ve referred a couple of people to you guys. So there are these different modules, right? And to really take a look at every aspect of your practice, right? From the social media and to your forms and your policies and your financials and all that good stuff, and the script in the beginning about really how to engage clients, I think, was just so smart and so valuable.
So I knew that again, I need help, right? I need more training here, I need more support here if I’m going to be successful, so I started and I found it to be great. I have to finish some of the modules. I know I’m not alone and that gives me some comfort. It’s a lot, right?
Jennifer: It’s a lot. And so with you, if you’re new to this or if this an area that you feel some insecurity about, it’s understandable that it may be scary.
Miranda: Right. It might bring some stuff up. It’s possible. Now, what is that like? What is it like to like have gone through Bootcamp to experience, like you said, the script was great, there are a lot of things that are really cool, but like there are some other stuff that are like – do you feel like that place of like, “It wasn’t really effective for me,” or, “I wish wouldn’t have done it.”
Jennifer: Oh, no, no, no, no. No, I think it was extremely effective for me so far, and I’m not even finished, right?
Jennifer: I mean, finished. I’m going to be superstar when I finish. But I really believe that just listening to the videos and doing some of the homework and connecting to people and doing that – all of the stuff I did shifted my energy, right? So I kept hearing these messages about how important it is for me to really put myself out there, and I stepped up to that challenge, and last November, I was telling you, was like my month. I’m like I’m doing everything I can to put myself out there, meet as many people as I can, and I really felt a lot of things shift because I’m not on more registries than I was before. As a matter of fact, I got rid of one because I didn’t find it to be very helpful. While I may not be blogging, which I understand this important aspect to increase my SEO, I’ve just been more present in my community, and I’m getting more referrals, and I think that that shift had to do with the support and education I got from the Bootcamp. Yeah. How cool is that?
Miranda: That’s super cool.
Jennifer: How cool do you feel right now?
Miranda: I feel really good. I get all like weepy. You know? Because – so we have these experiences like – so Jennifer and I met over the phone like over a year ago. So now, like we’re like here in person and she’s saying that, like look me in the eye and it’s like, “Oh,” like, “How cool –” like our worlds. It’s really – yeah, anyhow.
All right, well, guys, thank you so much for hanging out. So let’s talk about how to get in touch with Jennifer. Jennifer Todd’s website address is?
Miranda: Ah. Easy pea – that’s a good one.
Miranda: jenniferltodd.com. Now, she also is a trainer in some really like awesome – oh, now she wants to talk about that. Some awesome advanced hypnotherapy. So tell them about the trainings that you do.
Jennifer: Okay. So I’ve been training with the Wellness Institute in Issaquah, like 45 minutes away.
Miranda: It’s that –
Jennifer: That way.
Miranda: Yeah, yeah, that way.
Jennifer: Since 2008 in Heart-Centered Hypnotherapy, which is a really incredible approach to hypnotherapy. We’re taking humanistic psychology, developmental psych, Gustav techniques, NLP, Ericksonian Hypnosis. I mean, it’s just a beautiful combination of these different models to come together to help people heal from the heart using trance states to go into the places where all of our experiences and beliefs are so that we can make the unconscious conscious and really be able to experience a life beyond our wildest dreams. I mean, it goes beyond healing trauma into self-actualization, as we’ve talked about.
So I’ve been training with the Wellness Institute and coming out to Seattle several times a year, and now, I have graduated to a teacher, and so I will be offering six-day hypnotherapy certification courses in New Jersey. One is coming up March 5th through 10th in Paramus.
Miranda: Yes, and that’s just 2015 –
Jennifer: 2015, yeah.
Miranda: If you want to find out what’s going on, because obviously, this is going to be around for –
Miranda: Yeah. This is the internet.
Miranda: So this is forever. Jennifer L. Todd.
Jennifer: jenniferltodd.com, and March 5th through the 10th, 2015 in Paramus, New Jersey – oh, Parsippany. Parsippany, New Jersey, yes. Parsippany, yeah.
Miranda: Jut keep saying that. Parsippany.
Jennifer: Parsippany. And this is a 60-credit course.
Miranda: Shut up.
Jennifer: Yeah, 60 CEUs.
Miranda: Whoa, boom!
Jennifer: Yeah. It’s experiential, it’s fantastic, and there’s a two-year advanced internship that I’m going to be teaching on the East Coast starting April for graduates from the certification program. And Wellness has hypnotherapy training all over the country. Can I plug them too?
Jennifer: http://www.wellness-institute.org/. Check them out, yeah, yeah.
Miranda: Yeah. Like look at her face.
Miranda: Like joy radiating.
Jennifer: Yeah, it’s awesome. Yeah, it’s good stuff.
Miranda: Because what does it do you for you and your clinical work?
Jennifer: Oh my gosh, okay. Well, it has really helped me heal personally, right? So like I said before, the more I heal myself, the more I can be an instrument to heal others. So it helped me gain clinical skills, right? Feel really confident in providing them, and do a lot of my own personal work. A lot. Like I’m – this is what set me on this path to begin with, right? Like I said before. How do I heal myself? I wasn’t really aware of it at the time that I just wanted to learn and figure out what makes people tick, and now, I do it very consciously.
Jennifer: Like now, this is something that gives me great pleasure and I enjoy it very much.
Miranda: See? I think I consciously I was out to heal my mother, so it’s all good.
Jennifer: See? Yeah. Yeah, and in doing all of this personal growth work, I have the best relationships that I’ve had my whole life with people who I’ve been in relationship with my whole life, like my family and all that. It’s helped me pick a healthy partner and attract healthy people into my life who are supportive and like-minded. I mean, it doesn’t get much better than that.
Miranda: Yeah. All right, you hear that? So jenniferltodd.com if you’re on the East Coast, or you’d like to visit the East Coast for a training, because New Jersey is pretty cool, right?
Jennifer: Yeah. We’re right outside Manhattan. Yeah. Yeah, we’re right by New York City.
Miranda: No, no, no. But like the – “New Jersey is cool.” “Yeah, yeah because we’re close to New York City.”
Jennifer: Well, I’m in an area of New Jersey that’s very close to New York.
Miranda: Oh, okay.
Jennifer: I mean, most people aren’t going to travel the country to come to New Jersey, but they might come to New York.
Jennifer: You could come – I mean, Jersey is beautiful.
Miranda: What’s the best thing about Jersey?
Jennifer: The highways? No, no, no. It’s actually a very beautiful State with a beautiful farmland, and beautiful beaches, and yeah.
Miranda: Long Island?
Jennifer: It’s New York.
Miranda: It’s New York. The Jersey Shore.
Jennifer: Don’t say it like that.
Miranda: No, I was trying not to. How do you say it?
Jennifer: New Jersey Shore. No, it is New Jersey Shore, but people think it’s the Jersey Shore, like they see on MTV, but it’s –
Miranda: I’ve never – I don’t have cable.
Jennifer: You’ve never watched Jersey Shore?
Miranda: I once – well, it was in a hotel, turned it on for like 20 minutes, and it was like a train wreck. I could not look away. It was terrible. And I thought – no, that must be a joke, like that must be, like they must be, but it wasn’t.
Jennifer: But not all of the Jersey Shores.
Miranda: No. It couldn’t be. You would have more sun tanning boost per capita than anywhere on the planet.
Jennifer: That’s possible. We may. We actually may. It is Jersey.
Miranda: All right, guys, so go checkout jenniferltodd.com.
Jennifer: Yes, please.
Miranda: You can also – if you lose the Wellness thing, you can get it from there. She probably links back over.
Miranda: Email her and she’ll get you hooked up if you want to go somewhere other than right next to Manhattan to get your training.
Miranda: All right, guys, so hear us there, and if you loved Jennifer’s story, feel free to go and comment under her story and tell her how awesome she is.
Jennifer: I’ll take it.
Miranda: All right, guys, bye.
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